Comments on: Wrath, Sin & Grace – An Exercise In Theology On The Run http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/ politics ~ theology ~ life ~ fart jokes Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:47:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: geoff http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/comment-page-1/#comment-6569 geoff Wed, 16 May 2007 00:05:32 +0000 http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/#comment-6569 OK Rhonda - I'll have a go. It means that as I see people struggling with sin issues (and in particular sin issues that I've not had problems with in the past) it's a lot easier to recognise that I don't have some moral high-ground because that's not a problem for me: it becomes about where God has chosen to hand out grace. And likewise, as I consider other areas where I'm struggling with, while there's undoubtedly a recognition that <b>I</b> need to be making the change, it's asking for God's grace to work through my life, rather than something I can do off my own steam. Not sure if that makes wonderful sense, but hopefully you get the idea OK Rhonda – I’ll have a go.

It means that as I see people struggling with sin issues (and in particular sin issues that I’ve not had problems with in the past) it’s a lot easier to recognise that I don’t have some moral high-ground because that’s not a problem for me: it becomes about where God has chosen to hand out grace. And likewise, as I consider other areas where I’m struggling with, while there’s undoubtedly a recognition that I need to be making the change, it’s asking for God’s grace to work through my life, rather than something I can do off my own steam.

Not sure if that makes wonderful sense, but hopefully you get the idea

]]> By: Rhonda http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/comment-page-1/#comment-6566 Rhonda Tue, 15 May 2007 22:00:46 +0000 http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/#comment-6566 Geoff, I would like to hear how it has proven helpful in helping you to understand your interactions with God and others. Geoff, I would like to hear how it has proven helpful in helping you to understand your interactions with God and others.

]]> By: geoff http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/comment-page-1/#comment-6539 geoff Tue, 15 May 2007 00:13:21 +0000 http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/#comment-6539 I like what you're saying Matt, and I'm sure there's an element of that somewhere in there. I'll have a think about what you're saying and post a properly thought out response (Sorry about the delay showing your comment - wordpress held your comment in moderation) I like what you’re saying Matt, and I’m sure there’s an element of that somewhere in there. I’ll have a think about what you’re saying and post a properly thought out response

(Sorry about the delay showing your comment – wordpress held your comment in moderation)

]]> By: Matt http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/comment-page-1/#comment-6537 Matt Mon, 14 May 2007 23:16:32 +0000 http://www.geoffreport.com/wp/2007/05/14/wrath-sin-grace-an-exercise-in-theology-on-the-run/#comment-6537 OK, I'll wade in first. How about the notion that God's wrath is constant and impersonal in relation to any sin in light of his purity/holiness, and that it's actually been our choice to expose ourselves to it (that is, to refuse the offer of grace/refuse to recognise God's glory). for example: 24Therefore God <b>(begrudgingly, but without choice)</b> gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts I'm not a massively wise man, but the notion of predestination in our picture of post-JC/NT God just doesn't fit. I could accept that some will live 'better' or 'more blessed' lives than others, but the concept of "sorry, don't like your shoes" is too-unlike-God (in my estimation) to swallow. Likewise the picture of God chucking a tanty because we say no to him doesn't fit with my theology: everything else about Him says patience, another chance, please won't you... I AM a massive post-modernist (if you choose to believe that massive is quite large/extreme - it's up to you after all): and I really, really gel with the concept of it boiling down to a single choice of ours: yes, or no. (which is PM in that the individual is empowered (or is that just Gen X/Y?): but it IS an absolute, which isn't so much PM) OK, I’ll wade in first.
How about the notion that God’s wrath is constant and impersonal in relation to any sin in light of his purity/holiness, and that it’s actually been our choice to expose ourselves to it (that is, to refuse the offer of grace/refuse to recognise God’s glory).

for example:
24Therefore God (begrudgingly, but without choice) gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts

I’m not a massively wise man, but the notion of predestination in our picture of post-JC/NT God just doesn’t fit. I could accept that some will live ‘better’ or ‘more blessed’ lives than others, but the concept of “sorry, don’t like your shoes” is too-unlike-God (in my estimation) to swallow.

Likewise the picture of God chucking a tanty because we say no to him doesn’t fit with my theology: everything else about Him says patience, another chance, please won’t you…

I AM a massive post-modernist (if you choose to believe that massive is quite large/extreme – it’s up to you after all): and I really, really gel with the concept of it boiling down to a single choice of ours: yes, or no. (which is PM in that the individual is empowered (or is that just Gen X/Y?): but it IS an absolute, which isn’t so much PM)

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